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I Kid You Not

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What would you do if you were told you couldn’t eat at a restaurant because of the person accompanying you? Imagine your outrage when you arrive with your parent, grandparent or friend at a public place and find a sign saying “No Person Above the Age of 65 Allowed”.  Like any other forms of discrimination, age discrimination is immoral and intolerable, right?

Apparently not.

There’s a new trend gaining momentum and it’s causing quite a commotion. Certain restaurants, airlines, movie theatres and other businesses are implementing a “No Kids Allowed” policy, and what really pisses me off is the support it’s getting.

Why is it unacceptable to discriminate against an adult, yet perfectly fine to discriminate against a child? Oh, I can hear the arguments now. “It’s not discrimination against the children, it’s against the behaviour!” Bullshit.

I get it. Screaming, out-of-control kids are disturbing. So are two women who talk throughout an entire movie at the theatre. So is a guy yelling into his cell phone while in a restaurant. So is the 50-something year old jerk sitting beside you on a plane behaving like a moron. Like the one I met on my way to Germany when I was 17, and who repeatedly rubbed my leg and told me how excited he was to get away from it all. I assumed “it all” meant his wife and family.

Where are the signs banning morons, obnoxious loudmouths and dirty old men?

I have 3 boys. The older 2, particularly my second son, Kane, were a dream to take out in public. They were, with few exceptions, polite, charming and well-behaved. My youngest, Max, was a nightmare. Fussy, whiny, not sociable at all, he cried unless we held him and he screamed when people approached him. We would take turns distracting or consoling him, but if it wasn’t working, we would pack up and go.

By all means, inform families visiting your establishment that you reserve the right to ask them to leave if they become disruptive and interfere with other people’s ability to enjoy themselves. But please don’t tell me I can’t see a movie or eat something other than McDonald’s or sit in first class because I’m with a kid. Because really, you may as well tell me I can sit wherever I please, but the kid needs to move his ass to the back of the bus.

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  • I’m totally with you Nicky. You can argue back and worth all day about the reasons for why kids should or shouldn’t be banned from certain public venues, but in the end it all comes down to the simple fact that discrimination is wrong, even illegal, no matter why it’s practiced. It’s the same thing as with more serious problems. Say your husband was killed by a drunk driver. You didn’t really like him that much, but he sometimes did the dishes and you kind of miss sleeping next to a warm body. You get angry with the driver, take your shotgun and kill him in cold blood. You, as well as others, might think you were justified in your actions, he killed your husband, you did it to get even, you desperately wanted that half full bottle of vodka he was working on when he hit your husband. But in the end, killing someone is always wrong, no matter why you did it, and you will go to jail. Discriminating is always wrong, no matter why you do it, even if you’re just trying to eat dinner without wanting to stab the kid at the next table in the eye with your fork.

  • I’m really glad you agree with me Ziva, even though the whole analogy about a drunk killing Jepeto making me angry enough to want to kill the drunk escapes me…in reality, I would probably give him part of the insurance money as a reward…but I guess it might apply to other women, who don’t live with Jepeto. In any case, the real question here is: are you available to babysit next weekend?

  • Don’t hate me but I don’t consider it discrimination when it comes to businesses.  Businesses can decide their clientele.  I can’t join a mom’s group because I’m not a mom. Is that discrimination?  No, I simply don’t fit the group. Most hip dance clubs wouldn’t let me in because I’m not young and pretty.  I don’t fit their clientele.  I can’t be a member of most country clubs because I’m not rich enough.  Bruises the ego a bit but I understand.  Each person can choose whether or not to frequent the establishment.    
    If a theatre wants to offer some movies that are kid free and they still offer other movies that kids can attend, I don’t see a problem with it.  I have a problem with paying $20 to watch a movie and end up with a screaming baby beside me that the mom refuses to leave with so as not to ruin the movie for everyone else.  I’ve complained to management before but they refuse to say anything to talking/texting teens because they don’t want the parents to sue for discrimination.    If a restaurant wants to cater to no children I would gladly eat there.  Chucky Cheese caters to children and I don’t eat there.  Shouldn’t a non-kid having person have the right to have a place they can go to that is kid free just as much as a kid person has the right to go places that are kid friendly?  I love going to kid friendly places with my niece, nephew and other children.  I agree that not all children are brats.  I agree that some times children have bad days.  When it comes to places of food and entertainment I think it is ok to have distinctions.  Sadly this is because bad apples truly have ruined it for everyone else.  
    Now when it comes to transportation I feel everyone should be allowed at all times.  People have to go places and most transportation is a government branch and not private business with the exception of planes which is usually private.  I fully appreciate the pain of parents having to fly in a plane with the children.  It can be stressful especially because of the meanness of other passengers.  Everyone has to travel and there aren’t as many planes flying where as with restaurants you have a multitude of choices and therefore a couple catering to non-kids is not that big of a deal.      
    I am judged all the time as an infertile woman.  It is how it is.  I accept that I am the lowest form of our society and that I am of less value as mothers.  I fully accept my position and don’t consider it discrimination.  I know there are businesses and clubs that don’t cater to me but there are a few that do and I should be allowed to frequent those few.  Just my opinion.          

  • Silly Junebug! I don’t hate people who have a different opinion than mine! Debate is good for the mind, the spirit and the world. There were a lot of points you made that made me think, that I agreed with and that I disagreed with. Moms clubs – disagree: the activities are designed for people with children to enjoy themselves and bond. I would kind of worry about the adult who showed up solo. You wouldn’t (or at least, shouldn’t) be barred if you went with your niece or nephew. Hip clubs – agree: they are discriminatory and they suck! People keep bringing up Chuck E Cheese as appropriate for children, and yet with all the crime that goes on in and around these restaurants (read any of my Cheese in the News posts!!), I would never bring my kids to one. The part I found the most disturbing though, is that you feel you are judged because of your infertility. I don’t accept that you are the lowest form of our society and subsequently have less to offer or less value and it breaks my heart to think there are those who have made you feel that way. That is the lowest form of discrimination and I find it abominable. Again, I believe in judging people on their merit and if an establishment will not deal with out-of-control children, I would judge them harshly and not return. Banning all children, though, seems like the opposite extreme to me.  

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